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Does anyone know how much money I need to start a small bean to chocolate bar shop.

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Priscilla -

Andrea's recommendation is quite good. You can work from a zero-basis and figure out what it's going to cost, or you can start out with a sum you're willing to invest, and then figure out what you can do for that money. In either case you need to know what your costs are going to be. I don't know what commercial rents are in the part of Maryland you're talking about and I don't know the extent of the products you intend to make (and/or buy in) and sell. Your question is ambiguous, even: are you going to making chocolate from the bean or are you going to be selling bars from craft chocolate makers? If you're making chocolate from the bean then you need to have an idea of how much chocolate you need to make in order for you to have a real business.

One of the challenges I see all the time is that people wanting to go the bean-to-bar route start out thinking that all the two biggest capital expenses are a $7000 CocoaTown grinder and a $2500 Chocovision tempering machine. That may be the case if you want to make 70kg of chocolate a week, but that's not a business.

Also - get some experience somewhere before you begin. Work in a retail store and in a candy kitchen. Make sure you really know what you're going to be getting yourself into.

:: Clay

Does anyone know how much money I need to start a small bean to chocolate bar shop.

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I agree with Andrea.

Does anyone know how much money I need to start a small bean to chocolate bar shop.

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Part of starting a business is writing a detailed business plan, which includes investigating the costs you are talking about here as well as every other aspect of running a business. You will never succeed without a business plan. I would suggest you research the equipment you might need and the costs of the various options at the same time. This is due diligence and you really need to complete this before you decide if opening this business is even viable.

Does anyone know how much money I need to start a small bean to chocolate bar shop.

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Thanks for your prompt respone. Does the $150,000 include rent and chocolate machinery like tempering machine and cocoa bean grinding machine?

Does anyone know how much money I need to start a small bean to chocolate bar shop.

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$150,000 at least

Does anyone know how much money I need to start a small bean to chocolate bar shop.

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I am passionate about chocolate and want to start a bean to chocolate bar shop in Maryland. I have no experience in the chocolate business. I intend to rent a space for the shop.

updated by @Priscilla A: 04/11/25 09:27:36

Best tabletop extruder?

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I am looking into getting an extruder for both caramel pieces and ganaches. Right now the front runner is the Savage Carousel

Pros:

-This machine can do both caramel or ganache (no more hand portioning with a scoop!)

-They have stock shapes or will custom make any shape or size for you

-Footprint (size) of the machine -- tabletop and small

-Support, reliability, and reputation of Savage Bros

Cons:

-Expensive (Around $8K US) and haven't been able to get ahold of one used

-Output is only 1 piece at a time. I would prefer something still small (tabletop size) but capable of maybe 3-5 pieces with a small conveyor. Maybe such a thing doesn't exist.

I do like their depositor but it's for liquid. I need the function of the extruder/cutter in the form of the depositor I guess

I have the Savage Firemixer 14 and couldn't live without it now. Savage makes a good, solid product in my opinion and my experience so far. Also great support from the company. The down side is they are expensive. And with only getting one piece out at a time I will save some time but it's truly a middle step given that at some point my production increase will require me to get multiple pieces at once and with less manual intervention.

All of this said.... does anyone have this machine, or a comparable piece of equipment? What are your thoughts, cautions, and recommendations? Is there another company with a device similar in size and output (or better output!) with a lower price tag? Does anyone have one they absolutely love?

updated by @Shannon Campbell: 12/13/24 12:15:15

Cacao beans

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I look forward to another bean to bar chocolate in the Australian market. Just be aware that the greatest issue with making chocolate on a small scale in Australia is the sourcing of small packets of good quality beans. And if you do find a good source making sure that source is consistently good, variability of flavour is fine and almost desireable season to season but some go from good to inedible. Josh Bahen was the subject of an article in the Australian recently and touches on this, saying that he had his equipment for 18 months before putting out any bars because sourcing beans that he was happy to make chocolate out of was a real issue. I will attempt to attach article.

Cacao beans

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Hi Tom,

I am out west of Brissie,so growing my own beans isn't a proposition. I intend setting up my own chocolate business so the product will be sold not all eaten by me. Although my wife loves chocolate,so she will make a very good test subject.

Cacao beans

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Also check the chocolate down under group for discussion on bean to bar chocolate makers in Australia. It is always fun to benchmark your chocolate against others, there are 16 or so commercial operations now, mostly doing dark chocolates.Enjoy your journey!

Cacao beans

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Hi Ross, where in QLD a you? You could grow the cacao yourself if you are around Innesfail or above. There is also Loving Earth sells beans but again none of us have tried them for chocolate making. I have used Nui in the past for vanuatu beans, they also do fijian sometimes too. Other than that there is not a lot of option unless you are mates with a grower somewhere who is prepared to ship you small amounts at a reasonable cost. You also have the option to buys from Chocolate Alchemy, many of us have started that way but shipping is expensive.I also saw you are diabetic, if you start making chocolate you have options to make low GI chocolate using sweeteners such as coconut sugar. I have done this and the taste is very nice in a dark chocolate.

Cacao beans

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I have only seen them on the Net, but you could ty these guys

http://spencercocoa.com.au/bulk-beans/

Cacao beans

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Hi everyone.

I,m new to this forum. Next year I intend to start making chocolate from the bean.There doesn't seem to be anywhere I can buy beans in bulk in Australia. I have been looking at Vanuatu for growers but have no idea where to start. Does anyone have any contacts as a starting point?

Cheers

Ross

updated by @Ross Stewart Taylor: 04/15/15 22:42:37

Is the Chocovision Delta Worth It?

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Larry: I think Trula has already decided to go with one of the larger Chocolvisions, so isn't looking for comparisons to other machines. I think she's just looking for comparisons between the Delta and the x3210.

Trula: I've only used the x3210, because I decided that (for me and my process) the extra features of the Delta wouldn't be worth it. Since I'm bean-to-bar and only need to temper a few different types of chocolate, I didn't need the extended temper mode, or the ability to store a bunch of different recipes. If you're making truffles or chocolate-dipped items usingvarious couvetures, those features may be more useful to you.

Is the Chocovision Delta Worth It?

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Trula,Could you tell us a little more about what you'll be doing? For exampl if you are doing molded chocolates the larger revolation machines are definitely worth it. If you'll be doing apples the again the larger machine will be very helpful.If you are dipping truffles and other small pieces then the Little Dipper would be fine.Take a look at this discussion for more insight. http://www.thechocolatelife.com/forum/topics/hilliard-vs-chocovision-newby-here?xg_source=activity

Is the Chocovision Delta Worth It?

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Hi everyone,

I have the opportunity to purchase a used chocovison delta machine or a used revolation x3210 machine. The delta is $300 more than the x3210 machine. I already know the basic differences, but can anyone out there give me their experience with either machine(especially the delta)? If you have had experience with both, do you think the delta is worth it? I have used a revolation x3210 and liked it, but I was just wondering if you guys think that the delta is truly superior.

Thanks,

Trula

updated by @Trula R: 04/10/15 08:24:48

chocovison or hillard?

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Could you tell us more about what you'll be making?

I'd go with the larger x3210. It will be much easier to dip your pretzels and other large items.

It will also be much easier to produce a quantity of molds for your bars because not only is the bowl bigger in the revolation machine, you can get a Holey Baffle that will increase the melted capacity from 10 pounds up to17 pounds.

We have 1 little dipper and 2 x3210s. I prefer to work with the little dipper, but we primarily do small confections.

The new dispenser for the revolation machine would make filling molds MUCH easier.

Welcome to The Chocolate Life!

chocovison or hillard?

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I have no experience with the little dipper, but I have worked with the x3210 a bit. I really love everything about the x3210. It's quiet, easy to use, not too heavy, and works perfectly for me every time. The bowl is also plenty big enough to hand dip items or easily use a ladle or such to dispense chocolate. I think chocovision also sells a new accessory that you can attach to the delta or x3210 that dispenses the chocolate in a stream for easy molding of bars and such. Good luck deciding!

chocovison or hillard?

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hey chocolatelife people how are you? i work making candies and gummies for a private company in boulder CO. My new goal is to produce some chocolate goodies. I have some knowledge of chocolate, my main question is what would be the best equipment to get?

I am looking on producing about 5 to 10 kg per day, probably more though! any advice will be greatly appreciated

i was thinking a hillard's little dipper, or the chocovision delta or X3210. Any knowledge on this machines?

my goal is to make truffles, chocolate candy bars, lots of dipped goodies, like pretzels, mint etc. what would be better for my type of work?

updated by @jhon: 04/10/15 15:03:05

Carma, Felchlin or Chocovic

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Thank you Vera for your response =)

Carma, Felchlin or Chocovic

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Hi Lisa, easy answer: Felchlin! Great chocolate and they care about people and the environment. Their Gran Cru's are the best. My favourite is the Cru Sauvage 68% 60H conch. Wish you lots of success!

Carma, Felchlin or Chocovic

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Hi all

I'm in the process of setting up my chocolate business in Sydney, Australia and am considering using one or a combination of these three brands. I would appreciate input and recommendations of couverture in these brands from those of you who have had experience using it.

Thanks in advance!

Lisa

updated by @Lisa Morley: 04/10/15 14:47:39

Chocolate oxidation

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well, if i tell you the results before you test, it can skew your perception 8-) test it and see...

Chocolate oxidation

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Ok I am going to test it . How does it affect the taste?

Thank you

Chocolate oxidation

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you'll taste it far before you see it, but given enough time, the color will lighten. by the time it's noticeably lighter, you don't want to eat it...

Chocolate oxidation

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Great Tom and Sebastian. THanks to both of you. It makes a lot more sense now and indeed photooxidation or degredation would be a better term. I was just curious to understand how that exposition to light can degrade chocolate. I know what sugar and fat blooms look like and I was wondering what oxidation could do.

Chocolate oxidation

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I like the term photo degradation Sebastian, it is more useful for non chemists. Oxidation does not necessarily involve oxygen. Oxidation is just loss of an electon, which photons can do (photooxidation), UV wavelengths as you have pointed out. Other great oxidisers which arent oxygen and dont even involve an oxygen atom are the halogen gases. As you also eluded to different molecules are more susceptible, some like the polyphenols in choc can continue the cascade as well, as once they have lost an electron, and because they are relatively stabilised they can react with other molecules, rather than internal quenching. My question back to Oliver is why the concern, you can delve as deep as you like on this broad and complex topic. Re reading your original question i feel that there is just the confusion in the term photooxidation, which is a process which doesnt have to involve oxygen at all, it is just the removal of an electron from a molecule by a photon and the subequent reaction of the resulting reactive species, usually degradation, as Sebastian said.

Chocolate oxidation

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photodegredation of proteins and lipids is very common. Most of it's due to UV lights (think fluorescent lighting). Many fats are susceptible to it, the shorter chain and less saturated the fat, the faster it will occur. it's the reason your milk doesn't come in clear containers.

Chocolate oxidation

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Oxygen can react with oxygen in two basic ways, either through triplet state or singlet state, usually on the carbon carbon double bonds in fats of protons adjacent these groups. This is why cocoa butter is so stable to oxidation because it does not contain many of these groups. The triplet state reaction is called the ene reaction and the singlet state reaction is a cycloaddition reaction, this is the one catalysed by light because you need light to excite the oxygen to singlet state, this process also requires a sensitiser as well, polyphemols are good at this. I would say most people just throw the term oxidation around and not really understand it. As i said it is not a big problem in chocolate, firstly because the fat is mostly saturated (milk fats on the other hand are different and more susceptible), secondly it is a solid, so only the surface is exposed to oxygen and or light.

Chocolate oxidation

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THank you Tom and Larry,

Larry, very interesting read However I think oxidation isn't about heating chocolate or that would just be the "fat bloom" problem we encounter with chocolate. Or is it that when people talk about the oxidation of chocolate by light they mean the infrareds heating up chocolate?

I guess I am more looking for a description of what happens in the oxidation process of chocolate by LIGHT.

Thanks to anyone who could have such a description of the process

Chocolate oxidation

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OliverI asked a similar question in the science of chocolate section and LUV Ice Cream posted a very technical answer. I've been reading up on the degradation of plant fats and it has been very interesting.My question pertained more to heat but I think it would be the same reaction as you are asking about but the heat would just speed up the process.Check it out http://www.thechocolatelife.com/group/nerdzone/forum/topics/chemistry-of-chocolate-seizing-by-heat

Chocolate oxidation

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Reaction with oxygen is facilitated by light

Chocolate oxidation

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Hi all,

I keep on reading that chocolate's fats can oxidate when in contact with light... I can't make sense of it. Oxidation is a transformation process due to oxigen (air) so why do they always refer to the oxidation of cocoa's fats by light?

If anyone has a scientific explanation, I am eally interested.

Thanks for your lights.

Olivier

updated by @Olivier L: 04/11/25 09:27:36

Pretzel Shortbread Bars Recipe

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updated by @Shrey Patel: 04/11/15 03:26:51

Looking for Used Melangeur

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Im up for any capacity, so whatever you have let me know.

Thanks

updated by @Josh Nise: 12/13/24 12:15:15

Stuck with Cocao Beans

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Hey Brad,

I just got a sample of about a lb. Where can I send you some? Thanks John R.

Stuck with Cocao Beans

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Thanks for the tip Sebastian. I will be on guard. John R.

Stuck with Cocao Beans

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Tanzanian beans are typically flavor beans. no one would ship them here, and have them be in as good condition as the email suggests, and then abandon them. i'd be suspicious.

Stuck with Cocao Beans

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Hi Brad,

I will follow-up with regards to samples and pricing.

Thank you,

John R.

Stuck with Cocao Beans

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How much are they asking per ton?

Can you get photos of the beans?

Is it possible to get a sample to evaluate?

Stuck with Cocao Beans

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I got a frantic email from someone who claimsto have:

raw cocoa beans from Tanzania. We have about 25 tons stored in New Jersey. The bean count is 108pcs/100gr. They are conventional grown. The cocoa has been fumigated. Certifications are expensive and the farmers dont have the money to get certified. However, the quality is excellent. Tanzanian cocoa beans are great to blend with other cocoa beans. They have a fruity flavor. There is no issue with mold. They are properly fermented. The only issue is the size counts of 108pc/100 grams is giving us a hard time to move. The terms of sale would be payment after inspection at yours or your buyers facility. The farmers have a capacity to supply 2500 tons annually

I realize this may sound "spammy", and yet there is enough detail to suggests this is a legitimate request.

Does anyone want, or know someone who wants, these beans?

Thank you,

John R.

updated by @John M Rossini2: 04/21/15 15:02:03

Chocolate Coated Coffee Beans

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Thanks Adam, For the tip. I will check it out. John R.